Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
Looks like they are going to totally rewrite the code from scratch, almost certainly with the hope of charging for it in the end...
http://www.rexpage.com/myseq/forum/f...s.asp?TID=2185
I was a bit busy this weekend, but I plan on implementing a couple of the version 2 features:
- Autoupdating Ini File
- Ability to select which character to monitor when running 2 chars on the same computer.
Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
3 Cheer's for your attitude RATT come downunder for a while and ill buy you some beers.
Choof
Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
It's up to whoever owns the copyright - whoever released the code under the GPL in the first place, I guess - to enforce it. FSF will only get involved if the copyright was assigned to them. So I guess that in the absence of enforcement, what they're doing is illegal and wrong, but there's not much can be done about it... except what Slartibartfast is doing, and potentially continuing development from that old branch.
Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
Cavemanbob is the GPL licence holder. He is the one who originally made the program.
He should contact them, get the current source and re-release it since they dont want to release the current source.
If they do "redesign" it and start making it pay only, he should request that they provide him (and only him) the source code to make sure they arent infringing on his code. Not only that, he should make sure they change the name of the program. MySEQ name belonged to cavemanbob and I belive it is also be covered under the GPL.
Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
Want the most recent source?
Go to http://www.aisto.com/roeder/dotnet/ and download Reflector (and whatever add-ins you want).
Install the latest MySEQ.exe and point the tool to the exe.
Reverse Engineering has never been made so easy.
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Originally Posted by gawker
Reverse Engineering has never been made so easy.
/cheer M$$$$ :eek:
Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
I tried using Reflector, and it does a pretty good job of it. But, it doesn't seem to get everything. I spent hours going through the resulting code and never found the time-out routines for MySEQ 2.1.2.9... :(
It seems they've decided to release *part* of the source code. Apparently they believe they aren't subject to the GPL and don't have to release complete source. :rolleyes: Check the link, towards the bottom.
http://www.rexpage.com/myseq/forum/f...?TID=2255&PN=1
Re: Website Hosting Free Version of MySEQ
Would anyone happen to have the offsets from around mid June? I would like to use Myseq on my eqemu server. Any help would be appreciated.
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How can a project having the same name but with just added functionality of a GPL source no longer be subject to GPL?
I thought that as long as you used a GPL source of something you had to continue to release the source as long as it is based on the GPL source?
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If any part, even one line of GPL code is used in a project and it's a part of the resulting binary, then it's subject to the GPL. (Obviously, proving one line of code would be impossible... but as a matter of technicallity) - regardless - I fully believe MQSEQ is in direct violation of the GPL. However, since I have zero code of my own in MySEQ, there's not much recourse I have to do anything. The people with code contributed to the original MySEQ tree would need to come forward and push for it.
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2.x is derived from later version of 1.x
1.x, at least since version 1.4 (that's the earliest we have an archive of) is in violation of the GPL. A program that is in violation of the GPL is not protected by the GPL, so MySEQ 2.x is not required to be GPL as the code it was derived from was never GPL in the first case. Just saying you're GPL isn't enough.
Unlike some people, we don't steal information from other projects to get our stuff up and running. Taking information from MacroQuest is not something that we're willing to do. We find our own offsets and structures.
Cybmax, your post was moved because it was incorrect and the last headache we needed was trying to support people having problems because of your incorrect offsets and structures. We move ALL offset posts for this same reason. It's too much headache for too little return.
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Originally Posted by magictiger
A program that is in violation of the GPL is not protected by the GPL, so MySEQ 2.x is not required to be GPL as the code it was derived from was never GPL in the first case. Just saying you're GPL isn't enough.
That's a bunch of hooey. Programs CANNOT violate the GPL. People violate the GPL by distributing code that they are not allowed to distribute because of the license granted by the original copyright holders of the work.
If 1.4 was based on 1.3 and was distributed under the GPL then it is either GPL, relicensed with consent of the copyright holders, or in violation of the GPL and illegal to distribute. If 1.4 was based on 1.3 and was distributed under another license without express transfer of copyrights from the contributing authors, then the person distributing the code is in violation of the GPL and is trouncing upon the wishes of the people who worked hard to create the original product, which is a shitty thing to do.
If 2.0 was based on 1.4 and is being distributed, the same applies. No matter what you tell yourself to make it right, you are in violation of the GPL if you take a GPLed program, change it, and redistribute under a non-GPL license without being explicitly assigned copyright by the authors. The end. No questions.
I don't know if you're the distributor in question here, magictiger, but if you are, you should abide by the GPL. Your two choices are finding all copyright holders and having them agree to a license change, or rewriting without using any code that you do not hold copyright over. Any other path is in violation of the license of the original code in question and your derivative work cannot be distributed lawfully.
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If someone could show me where 1.x prior to 1.15 contains a copy of the GPL, I'd appreciate it.
Just saying that it's GPL isn't enough. You do have to abide by the terms of the license to consider the software to be covered by that license.
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If it isn't GPL then it's covered by normal copyright. Normal copyright is more restrictive than the GPL. The GPL is actually waiving some rights granted under normal copyright. You'd need to contact each of the original copyright holders if you want to redistribute under a different license. If something isn't properly licensed, it doesn't fall into public domain. Sorry.
Feel free to keep trying to technicality away your assholishness if you want, though.
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Ah, my mistake then.
So any continuation on 1.x that uses any of MQSEQ's code is going to be done with his permission, right?